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Want Political Action?
03/17/99

Here's a topic for the politically motivated:  Should we have medical (and hence psychiatric, etc.) privacy?  Check out some of the latest legislation being debated in the U.S. Senate and house.  This link is to an ACLU website and contains information as to how you can help.
 

New Tools:
03/17/99
1.  Resources on Diagnosis

Are you thinking of giving a paper on the problems inherent in DSM  diagnosis?  Let me give you a resource.  It is a list a books on nosology, that is on the science of diagnosis, in psychiatry.  Look at the last tool in the toolbox marked "Professional."

2. Easy Web authoring.

This is an introductory tool for people who are thinking they would someday like to create their own website but do not really want to get into HTML (the programming language some people write their websites in).  If you're sort of interested in this, and especially if you already have Netscape Communicator 4.0 or better, then you might want to check out an easy way to get started.  This is the last link in the tool box called "Electronic Publising."
 
 
 

Tools: 
Philosophy of Mind Dictionary
03/10/99/

Notice this newsletter inclues a new tool.  It is a link to the Philosophy of Mind dictionary maintained by philosophy professor Chris Eliasmith.  This dictionary is being created by the collaborative work of philosophers.

The orientation of the dictionary term selection is a bit different from that of the PMTH dictionary.  However, it includes many terms that are often useful to know, and there are also many names that you might run across.  It will give you a sense of the orientation of this dictionary to learn that Wittgenstein has only 9 hits when you search on his name, Plato has only 4, Foucault and Derrida are not included at all,  but John Searle has 14.

Still, although this selection is hardly postmodern you will run across names and term from time to time that are not on our own list and this is a good place for you to check them out.
 

Announcement: A New Journal
03/03/99

A new relevant journal is about to be released.  You'll want to know about it, read it, perhaps submit articles for review.  Check it out by clicking here.
 

For Your Reflection
10/20/98

[T]ruths are illusions of which one has forgotten that they are illusions, worn-out metaphors which have become powerless to affect the senses; coins which have their obverse effaced and now are no longer of any account as coins but merely as metal.

Fredrich Nietzsche

 
 For Your Reflection
10/17/98

Madness need not be regarded as an illness.  Why shouldn't it be seen as a sudden - more or less sudden - change of character?
                                      Ludwig Wittgenstein
                                           Culture and Value
                                                            1946, p.54
 

For Your Reflection
10/19/98
 The problem is not to locate a new narrative, but to transcend narrative lodgment.
Kenneth Gergen
Realities and Relationships
p.237
Monday's Discussions
10/20/98
Most of our online discussion today may have  seemed technical and lengthy to lurkers, but I can summarize the major themes.  We were talking about the great difficulty humans often have in understanding each other and what to do about it.  This is particularly appropriate for a postmodern forum.  Modernity assumes that communication is straightforward.  Postmodernity notices and ponders the problem of misunderstanding.

For example, Judy Weintraub and Jerry Shaffer discussed a problem in their communication that, on reflection,  seemed a consequence of their having used a word in different senses, one metaphorically and the other literally.

And the discussion in the Wittgenstein readings also had to do with the way superficial aspects of our words can mislead and confuse.  You can say to your kid, "Would you take the garbage out?" but you're not really asking.  You're commanding.  In ways like this, our clients, also, can both say and disguise what they say in the same breath.

Can it be any wonder that there is confusion?   I believe Wittgenstein offers some conceptual tools to deal with confusion such as this.
 

Not Knowing in CLS
10/16/98

A few weeks ago I was puzzling over what Collaborative Language Systems (CLS) therapists mean by "not knowing."  I had a picture, I think, of the CLS therapist being asked to advise and always saying with a shrug, "I just dunno."

A number of people spoke up to correct this misconception.  One correction by Tom Strong was put in a PMTH article.  And if that did not clear the matter up for you, I would like to add this quote I ran across today.  It is a quote from a key article by the founders of CLS called Human Systems as Linguistic Systems.   In this article, Anderson & Goolishian explicitly address the issue of whether the not-knowing therapist is reduced to saying "I just dunno."  They say:
 

We, as therapists, are always taking positions.  As therapists we are never void of values and always operate on the basis of these views.  These prejudices, however, are not imposed on clients.  Rather, therapist and client in dialogue with one another are always acting on and reflecting their ideologies, their values, and their views. 
... 
For us, this is neutrality.  Neutrality is not not having a position but, rather, always evolving new interpretive positions as a result of dialogical communicative action and the resulting, changing realities.  Therapeutic conversation and this kind of neutrality requires a willingness to put one's prejudices on the line and to take seriously the claims to validity raised by our clients, and, thus, to risk having one's own views exposed, challenged, and changed. ... 
Anderson & Goolishian
p.385
To me, that's pretty clear.  For A & G, "not-knowing" means not being dogmatic about opinion.  But values and positions are expressed and they are an important part of the dialog in CLS therapy.
 
Is Albert Ellis Postmodern?
10/17/98

Recently, Jeffrey Guterman has been defending the position that Albert Ellis is postmodern - and this forum is still undecided.

However, whatever the final verdict (if any) on Ellis, I myself find Jeffrey Guterman a very convincing postmodern author.  He has sent me a package of articles which begins with a paper he wrote (1996) on social constructionism in mental health counseling .  He moves around comfortably within the clinical and psychological literature that inspires PMTH, and I like his way of putting many things he says.  Let me give you a taste (leaving out long lists of references):
 

Fundamental to social constructionism is the recognition that knowledge is a social invention rather an objective representation of reality...This position contradicts most schools' views of reality, especially those espoused by clinical psychology and psychiatry.  Indeed, the billion dollar industry of psychiatry is organized around (and invested in) the practice of positing theories that profess to represent an objective rendering of the world... Recently, however, some ...writers have begun to deconstruct ...the objective validity and pragmatic efficacy of psychiatric diagnosis and nosology...
I liked this paper much better than the one that I summarized  recently.  In that paper, Guterman seemed to lump constructionism and constructivism together and focus more on Ellis than on what he, Guterman, had to say.
 
Social Constructionism
10/17/98
In a number of threads, PMTH has talked about the usefulness (or lack thereof) of the standard distinction between constructivism and social constructionism, a distinction that tells us that constructivism is about the cognitive processes that bias perception whereas social constructionism is about the social processes that create our concepts, beliefs, and forms of life.

This distinction may be attributable to a footnote of Kenneth Gergen's in his key paper on Social Constructionism in 1985. In that footnote, Gergen said:
 

Although the term constructivism is also used in referring to the same movement [as that of social constructionism] (cf. Watzlawick, 1984), this term is also used in reference to Piagetian theory, to a form of perceptual theory, and to a significant movement in 20th century art.  The term constructionism avoids these various confusions and enables a linkage to be retained to Berger and Luckmann's (1966) seminal volume, The Social Construction of Reality.
Neverthless, some authors today lump constructivism and social construcitonism together.  Is this a worthy distinction we should try to maintain?

Berger, P., & Luckmann, T. (1966).  The social
   construction of reality.  NY: Doubleday.
Gergen, K. J. (1985).  The social constructionist
    movement in modern psychology. American
   Psychologist, 49(3), 266-275.
Watzlawick, P. (Ed.).  (1984). The invented reality.
    New York: Norton.

Click here to see an article on a conversation we had here at PMTH on social constructionism versus constructivism.
 

Is Albert Ellis Postmodern?
10/16/98

We continue to ponder the question of whether Albert Ellis is postmodern.  Diana Cook described Ellis' style twenty years ago and Ellis sounded authoritarian, not postmodern.  That is what I recall as well.

But to what extent is Ellis caught in a trap of his own making?  Can a person who has published fifty books and established such recognition suddenly change his mind?
Of course, but then are we to say that Ellis is postmodern, but that his theories, and his therapy is not?

Perhaps, it is so.  Jeffrey Guterman suggests it is so.  The times are changing and the evidence suggests that Ellis is changing with them -- but, still, there is a momentum to his reputation

Look for yourself.  This is what Guterman cited Ellis saying that seemed postmodern:
 

Although I was formerly in the logical positivist camp, I now consider myself largely a postmodernist and constructionist. Some of my main beliefs about humans and the world in which we live include the following: 

1. Perhaps some kind of indubitable reality or thing in itself exists, but 
we only seem to apprehend or know it through our fallible, personal, social, different and changing, human perceptions. We do not have any absolute certainty about what reality is or what it will be--despite of our often being strongly convinced that we do. 

2. Our views of what is good or bad, what is right and wrong, what is moral and immoral are, as George Kelly (1955) pointed out, largely personal-social constructions. Kelly held that the identification of universal truths is an impossible tasks and that all ethical beliefs have a  constructionist nature... (p.212)

Our deliberations continue on. Are these new words enough to make Ellis postmodern?

Ellis, A. (1997b). Postmodern ethics for active-directive psychotherapy.
Journal of Mental health Counseling, 19, 211-225.

Kelly, G. (1955). The psychology of personal constructs (Vols. 1 & 2). New
York: Norton.
 
 
 

Is Albert Ellis Postmodern?
10/15/98




Today, a group of us have pondered the question of whether Albert Ellis is postmodern.
What a question.  Ellis has been around for a long time and he is known for telling his clients that their thoughts are "irrational."  How could that be postmodern?

But our own subscriber, Jeffrey Guterman talked personally with Ellis on this matter and brought us passages from Ellis as a kind of proof.  Can we let Ellis in the postmodern door?   I still have doubts.

But, maybe.  Guterman cited Ellis saying the following:
 

Although I was formerly in the logical positivist camp, I now consider myself largely a postmodernist and constructionist. Some of my main beliefs about humans and the world in which we live include the following: 

1. Perhaps some kind of indubitable reality or thing in itself exists, but 
we only seem to apprehend or know it through our fallible, personal, social, different and changing, human perceptions. We do not have any absolute certainty about what reality is or what it will be--despite of our often being strongly convinced that we do. 

2. Our views of what is good or bad, what is right and wrong, what is moral and immoral are, as George Kelly (1955) pointed out, largely personal-social constructions. Kelly held that the identification of universal truths is an impossible tasks and that all ethical beliefs have a  constructionist nature... (p.212)

 Is Albert Ellis a postmodern?  We're undecided.  Our deliberations continue on.

Ellis, A. (1997b). Postmodern ethics for active-directive psychotherapy.
Journal of Mental health Counseling, 19, 211-225.

Kelly, G. (1955). The psychology of personal constructs (Vols. 1 & 2). New
York: Norton.

Click here to read the original Guterman paper.Click here
 

One List or Two?
10/12/98

What should I do?

The other day I posted a note saying that I wanted to make a list of names that subscribers of PMTH can use when they don't know who the posters are and who they are talking about.  I wanted it to include names of famous folk as well as PMTH members, all on the same list.

This simple proposal has turned out to be controversial than I expected.  Some say that it is presumptuous for PMTH subscribers to even list themselves with famous postmodern authors.

What do you think?  This list would be  mostly for lurkers.  If you do not want to post your answer publicly, please do write me privately and tell me what you think I should do.

Would such a list be helpful to you?

click here to write me
 

New Links to Articles
10/10/98

Today you will find a new link to an article on Wittgenstein.  In addition to giving you  an introduction to Wittgenstein, it will take you through the first three aphorisms of the book we are reading on PMTH.
 
 
 

A Link to Guterman Paper
10/13/98

.
Today, I give you a new link to a page of notes I have made on a paper by one of our subscribers, Jeffrey Guterman.  The paper is titled, "Signs of Struggle in the Postmodern Era."  Although I personally feel critical of Jeffrey's paper, it is a well written and well organized paper around a topic that is very central to our community and I encourage to look not only at my notes but at the original paper as well.

This paper is for you if you ask yourself: Is postmodern theory, particularly social constructionism, so subjectivist as to be self-contradictory?  Do the authors who are not typically seen as postmodern or social constructionist, such as Albert Ellis, actually have sufficient awareness of the subjective side of the client's truth as to leave no need for more postmodern theories?

These are the questions that Jeffrey Guterman addresses in this paper and I think you'll find his conclusions provocative.

 Click here to read my notes and
 overview of this paper.
 

Our Sunday Conversation
10/12/98

I felt paralogically enlightened today.  There were a number of interesting posts that captured my attention, but I was particularly engaged in a discussion on the distinction between social constructionism and constructivism.

    Social constructionism
      vs Constructivism

The standard distinction between these two concepts says that constructivism tells us that the mind is filled with concepts or other structures that bias and control our consciousness.  Social constructionism, on the other hand, focuses on the social institutions and language processes that shape our concepts and way of life.  Constructivism is person focused.  Social constructionism is interpersonal.

Both David Pocock and Leonard Bohanon seem to think too much is made of this distinction.  I, on the other hand think the distinction is important, and I am inclined to make a lot of it.

In the process of arguing his point, David reminded me that he addresses this issue in a paper available through this newsletter called "Loose Ends."   I see by the counter that many of you looked up his paper today.  If more of you you do so, you might take special notice of the last section.
It is a good introduction to the issues.

Kuhn vs Lyotard

And another topic of conversation is shaping up.  Judy Weintraub is discussing Thomas Kuhn with both Jerry Shaffer and me.

With me she is talking about the relationship between the Kuhnian concept of a "gestalt-switch" and the Lyotardian concept of "paralogy."  The question is: Are these different phenomena?  Or just different names for the same phenomenon?  Or even: Is the gestalt-switch something small that happens during the course of paralogy?

And with Jerry, Judy is asking if the different paradigms use language that is incommensurable.  That is, can the people in one paradigm actually share thoughts meaningfully with the people embracing another?

If you want to join in, you might get out your copy of Kuhn's Scientific Revolution.  Judy's notes will often point to the page.  And also get your copy of Lyotard's The Postmodern Condition.  You'll likely see some page numbers here, too.
 

The Virtual Faculty
10/09/98

If you have never visited the Virtual Faculty website, let me suggest that you do so.  Put together by one of the PMTH subscribers, Andrew Lock, this website is, you'll find, remarkably rich with resources for the postmodern therapist and scholar.  We should surely consider it a sister site.

These resources consist largely of articles by a contributing faculty which include:
 

 Michael Bamberg, 
 Lawrence Berg 
 Michael Billig 
 Nancy Budwig 
 Daniel Chandler 
 Michael Cole 
 Jeanne Curran 
 Bronwyn Davies 
 David Epston 
 Kenneth Gergen 
 Mary Gergen 
 Rom Harré 
 Andrew Lock 
 Pam Oliver 
 Ian Parker 
 Joseph Petraglia 
 Jonathan Potter 
 Lois Shawver 
 John Shotter 
 James Wertsch
Let me tell you about my own name being included with such august company.  Three years ago Andy wrote me saying he liked some of what I was writing on another list and offered to web-publish some of my posts, which he kindly edited.  (I am following his model in publishing some of your posts.)  Since then we have gotten to know each other's work better and, although we have never met, never talked, and go long stretchs without online correspondence, we are engaged in a joint project of producing a history of postmodern psychology for the web.

Andy is a very creative man and I am inspired by his work.   I also consider the eclectic spirit that allowed him to reach out and include me in his list of contributors to be very postmodern.

Aside from Andy and I there are numerous others, as you can see, represented on the Virtual Faculty.  The site has had over eighteen thousand visitors since November 1996.  It is a great resource for online texts for many of today's most relevant authors for postmodern therapists.  It also includes a brief biography for each of the faculty.
 
 

New Links to Articles
10/08/98

Today there is a new link discussing one of Peter Rober's articles.  In this link, Craig Smith describes an article that discusses the importance of creating a safe culture in therapy.

I haven't actually read this article myself, but I think this concept of "safe culture in therapy" is an important one to consider.  People often come to therapy feeling much like they are being taken to the principle's office.  What makes the culture "safe"?  Is it an orientation of "not-knowing" as Anderson and Goolishian would say?  Look at the new article by Tom Strong which provides a commentary on Anderson and Goolishian's concept of not-knowing.

This also relates to Gergen's notion of "unmasking" (accusing the other of having a hidden agenda).  Gergen seems to think this creates an unsafe climate.  This notion of "unmasking" is an intersting one that is the subject of controversy between Lyotard and Habermas.  Watch for a future article that will address "unmasking."

Also notice that there is a new link to an article on differAnce, an important concept in Derrida's deconstructionism.

If You're Not Receiving Messages
10/06/98

Every now and then, it seems, the internet's complicated system of collating all of our posts gets screwed up.  I am told this sometimes happens when people try to write me (Lois Shawver).  Sigh.  If that's the case, for now, it is probably best if you write Leonard Bohanon.  Leonard co-hosts this list with me.  He can sign people up, unsubscribe them, and do all of the other list-owner things that I can do.

Also, sometimes it is not my mailbox that becomes closed.  It's yours.  A common problem is that people's mailboxes are too full.  But often it is just that your server is temporarily disabled.  In that case, we all begin receiving error messages that indicate your mail is bouncing back -- so I am setting your subscription to nomail - which means you won't receive posts until you contact Leonard or me and we reset your mailbox.
 
 

For Your Reflection
10/08/98

We live with each other in a world of conversational narrative, and we understand ourselves and each other through changing stories and self-description.

  Anderson & Goollishian
                                               p.381
 [T]he narrator...in virtue of his retrospective view, picks out the most important events, traces the causal and motivational connections between them, and gives us an organized, coherent account.
David Carr
Time, Narrative and History
 p.59
In considering the text analogy, I perceived a family resemblance of ideas between the notion of map and the notion of narrative. However, the notion of narrative, in that it requires the location of events in cross-time patterns, clearly has some advantages over the notion of map.  Narrative incorporates the temporal dimension.
Michael White & David Epston
Narrative Means to
Therapeutic Ends
p.3
 [T]he narrator's only claim to competence in telling the story is that he has heard it himself.
Jean-Francois Lyotard
The Postodern Condition
p.19-20
Talk of television among the experts is, on the whole, pessimistic.
C. C. Furnas
Associate Professor of
Chemical Engineering
The Next Hundred Years
1936
p.276
The repudiation of feminity must surely be a biological fact, part of the great riddle of sex.
Sigmund Freud
Analysis Termnable and Interminable
Collected Papers V.
1936
p.357
The average everydayness of concern becomes blind to its possibilities, and tranquilizes itself with that which is merely 'actual'.
Martin Heidegger
Being and Time
p.239

 
Who is Here?
 10/04/98
We have subscribers at PMTH  from Belgium, England, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Sweden, South Africa, Ireland, Spain, USA, and Canada.  If I have left your country out, please let me know.
Click here
 
 
Writing for Publication
10/04/98

I am harvesting posts for publication on this website from our daily postings. What I am looking for are posts that I think will make a continuing contribution to our ongoing conversation.  I want them to be posts that people can continue to refer to and discuss long after the particular conversation that inspired them has passed.

To this end, I prefer posts that have references to other links attached to the PMTH Weekly.  I also prefer posts that have references to publicly available publications, books and articles, things people can look up.

If I select one of your posts for publication, I will write you and ask you if I can publish it.  If I do so, I will edit it, primarily, so that it is no longer addressed to a dialogue that is not included on the PMTH website.  I will also make some effort to correct spelling, etc. Then, I'll show it you for your approval before publishing it.

There are many more wonderful posts than I can publish, however.  If you find one that you think I have neglected, it may be because I have not finished preparing it.  If you want to make sure I consider publishing it, please do forward it to me with your recommendation.
Lois Shawver
 

Survey
10/05/98
Curious about the theoretical orientation of the other subscribers?  It is always difficult to get folks to answer a survey, but if enough of you  send me a post I'll publish the results.   Click here to tell me the postmodern theorist who most inspires you -- or tell me that none of them inspire you if that is the case.  Tell me also if you see yourself as too eclectic to identify any theorist as "most inspiring."
 
 
Definitions
10/05/98
Notice a new section at the end of this newsletter that gives you definitions.  One of the links takes you to the Foucault dictionary project.  The other new link will be rough and ready local definitions of terms you will hear often on PMTH.  These are just off-hand definitions I am providing, but they will link, at times, to more complete descriptions of the terms.

The list of terms is short, but it will grow.  If you hear a term being used frequently that is not on the list, please submit it to me.
Lois Shawver
 

New Links
10/07/98

Today there two new links to Gergen articles.  One is a summary of an article on the political act of unmasking.  In this article, Gergen makes it clear that "unmasking" in social constructionism is one of the major causes of divisiveness.

The other new Gergen article is a sumary and paraphrase of a trialog between Gergen, Lynn Hoffman and Harlene Anderson (of Anderson and Goolishian fame).  This paper is on the topic of  psychological diagnosis.  This brief article contains a link to the full text of this article trialog on diagnosis.
 

New Links 10/03/98
10/03/98
There are a few new links since the PMTH Weekly first went out.  There are two full text articles that will be published in traditional format, one by Jerry Gale and one by David Pocock.

Gale's article is an argument against Barbara Held's position that "postmodernism in particular ... necessitates an antirealist or
constructivist epistemology."  As such it is highly related to a number of other articles available through the PMTH Weekly.  See, for example, the paraphrase and commentary on Gergen's Constructionism and Realism.

Pocock's article is also a response to a published article.  His response is to Rudi Dallos and Amy Urry.  Dallos and Urry argue, Pocock tells us, that we should not be "docile bodies" in the face of each new complaint that previous versions of brief therapy have been insufficient.  Pocock, influenced by Lyotard's postmodernism, supports that position and finds our postmodern promise in a paralogy that is based on an eclecticism which makes use of previous theories in a new way.

Also, notice two brief new items under the tools for studying major philosphers.  One is a quotation talking about  what Derrida and Foucault thought of each other and the other is a somewhat obscure but penetratable comment by Lyotard on Kuhn.

Notice a new commentary link on the Gergen paper on the subject of realism in social constructionism.
 
 
 
If You Stop Receiving Posts

10/01/98
If you stop receiving your posts, check your mailbox.  Some servers have a system that bounce back received messages when your mailbox is full.  America Online apparently has such a system.

If the listowners cannot reach you to tell you about the problem, you will probably have your account set to NOMAIL.  Write one of us if you notice and then fix the problem.  We'll turn your mail reception back on.

Click here to write Lois Shawver.
Click here to write Leonard Bohanon.

If you have a suggestion of something to be published in the PMTH Weekly, write
Lois Shawver.
 
 
Wittgenstein Readings

10/01/98
New people on PMTH will notice posts now and then that we call "Wittgenstein readings.  These are readings of the philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations.  (This book is often referred to by students of Wittgenstein simply as the "Investigations".) The Investigations consists of a series of aphorisms, little numbered paragraphs.  We are reading the text aphorism by aphorism.  The number in the subject heading tells you what aphorism is being read.

The Wittgenstein readings can all be identified by a subject head that says something like "LW reading #22".  That makes them easy for you to delete them unread if you consider them
uninteresting.  The number in the subject head tells you what aphorism is being read.

These readings have been going on for some time, years in fact, and they involve my posting an original "reading" (the aphorism and a commentary) and a
small group of "readers" posting a response to my reading.  Then the readers and I write back and forth a few times.

The arrangement is that these readings will be made available for others to study over our shoulder, but the readings themselves are limited, by and large, to the people who have been participating in this project for some time.  Anything else would make the project unwieldly.

However, if you have a particular question or comment you want to make occasionally, go ahead.  The readers might respond. Also, at times Jerry Shaffer has been kind enough to respond to an invitation by posting commentary - so the rules for who is encouraged to participate are provisional.

An introductory article on Wittggenstein's concept of a language-game is available through the PMTH Weekly
 
 
What is the PMTH Weekly?

10/01/98
Think of the PMTH Weekly as a way of getting information about postmodern therapies.  It will include news about the list, links to relevant sites, announcements, reading lists, dictionaries and so forth.  It will start out small and get bigger and bigger.

You can bookmark this link and return to it for updated news and updated links.  The news section in the weekly will tell you about new links when they are introduced.  To get to those new links, simply
page down to the bottom of this page.  The links are at the tail end of the PMTH Weekly.

It's called a "weekly" but it may be updated more or less frequently.  Note the date of the article.  Unless otherwise noted, the Weekly articles are all written by yours truly, Lois Shawver.
 
 

PMTH Netiquette
10/01/98
If you encounter a problem on the list and feel offended, please contact Lois Shawver or Leonard Bohanon.  We will submit the problem for resolution to the advisory group.  Please do not contribute to the offensiveness of the atmosphere.  Our goal is to create a culture in which people can express disagreements without creating a contentious climate.
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